Megan Edge, Master Healer, Shares Her Courageous Heart on Valentine's Day

In this week's episode, Megan Edge gives important guidance to inspire healers to know when it's time to take a break and go within for personal healing and self-reflection. Megan also shares a deeply personal story of a major transition in her life and how she navigated this new path with the help of the Universe. She asked for a sign and boy, did she get it! She saw hearts wherever she went, giving her powerful imagery and messages that helped her follow her heart to heal. This magical experience birthed The Heart's Journey: Healing Hearts Oracle Cards and Guidebook to inspire you to follow your heart.

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Transcript

Kristen O'Meara: 0:44

Hello, everyone, and welcome to intuition talks. I have the honor and pleasure of being with Megan Edge today.

Megan Edge: 0:57

Megan, how are you? I'm well, thank you. Thank you so much for having me on your show.

Kristen O'Meara: 1:01

Yes, thank you for coming and joining us. So there are so many things that I want to talk to you about. You have an incredible background as a healer, as a counselor, as a mother and a teacher, but I would love for you just to spend a little bit of time sharing with us what you would like us to know about you.

Megan Edge: 1:27

Oh, thank you. Yeah. It's a, that is a, it's an interesting invitation. And I want to sit with that just for a moment because so much has changed and adjusted and evolved. In my life, since I began this journey at doing healing work, calling myself healer, taking that, that name and taking that responsibility, I really see it as a responsibility and as we've come through the last four years, each of us has, I believe, has had to, or has had the opportunity to stop and look at who we are and how we're showing up in the world and what our priorities are and what's really important to us and personally, over the last few years, I took a step back from my healing work. I took a step back from my public persona, my public way of showing up in the world, and I reoriented myself back to my family. We went through a series of very significant losses over the last four years, and I realized that as a healer, for me to walk my talk means that when I recognize That I need time and space for me and for my family, that that's something that I need to ask the universe for. And not only ask for it, but then state it. This is what I need. Right? And so that's what I did over the last couple of years. And so I'm now in this process of reacquainting myself with who I am now, and, and exploring all the different ways in which I can show up in the world some way similar to how I've done it in the past and in other circumstances different and allowing them different ways of my being able to be of service for the, for people to show up to the surface. Can

Kristen O'Meara: 3:20

we pause there because that I think is so important and I, I want to highlight that particularly for folks who are interested in the healing arts and want to work with clients. They've learned a lot. They're excited about their healing modality, perhaps a modality that has helped them heal, and they want to work with people. I believe our journey of awakening, our journey of, of learning and seeking is a lifelong journey. I don't see it as being something that's particularly finite from beginning to end. At least that's my perception of it. If we want to continue learning and growing, I think it's so honorable for you to have Had that awareness because for us to show up, like you said, and work with clients, particularly clients who have experienced trauma and significant loss, we as healers and teachers need to be able to learn how to go through those. That whatever, whatever it's, uh, grieving or, um, healing old wounds that are, that are being activated from loss and pain to know how to sit with people who have gone through that or something similar. And I think it's really important for healers to. Be able to know when that time is absolutely. And it's a, it's a period of, of, I think, cause I've had to do it of, um, perhaps uncertainty. I think our mind can probably get in the way. Like, um, I should be doing this practice or I'm letting folks down or things of that nature. But I just think it's a wonderful way to be able to learn how to follow and listen to our intuition in those moments.

Megan Edge: 5:27

Absolutely. And, and the whole healing journey is, I, I believe by definition, uh, an intuitive journey. Yes. I'm sure you've heard the, the, the words wound, the wounded healer. Yes. Right. And we could say the wounded counselor, the wounded therapist, the wounded psychologist, the wounded psychiatrist. I mean, why do we become healers? Why do we become somebody that is a sounding board for someone else's healing journey? It's because somewhere along the way. We've experienced a trauma. We've experienced a loss or something that we are that we are grieving and we found a way through it that we then want to share with others. Right. I mean, that's fundamentally why any one of us says I'm going to be a healer because being a healer is not for the faint of heart. It's

Kristen O'Meara: 6:11

not

Megan Edge: 6:12

for the faint of heart. I mean, frankly, being human isn't for the faint of heart, but Yes, being a healer. So having done my work, but as you say, it's not. Like, it's not ended. People talk about, I had my great awakening. That's awesome. And you're going to have more. There will be more earthquakes. There will be aftershocks. You will, you will suddenly have something show up in your life that you haven't had to deal with yet. And you're going to go to your toolbox, hopefully, your healer's toolbox, and you're going to find all the ways that you can navigate that experience with what you already know as a healer, which then, Gives you a deeper and more rich way in which you can reengage with your clients when that time is right. And I, I don't mind sharing that the way that I realized that I was burnt out and I was done was when I didn't care. What my client was going through. Yes. And it isn't that I didn't empathize. It's not like. No,

Kristen O'Meara: 7:11

no. I had the same experience when I was in traditional count, uh, therapy. I wasn't showing up. I was having a hard time being present.

Megan Edge: 7:20

Yes. Yeah. And quite frankly, what was going through my mind on the umpteenth time that I was hearing the same story, the person was stuck in their story was thinking. Oh, for goodness sakes, just put on your big girl panties and get on with it. Which I realized it was not particularly empathetic. And sometimes that's actually what the person needs to hear, but it wasn't coming from a place of patience on my part. Right. Right. And, and I knew then I wasn't of, I wasn't being of help to other people at that point and to try to pretend otherwise was disingenuine. And so I just took myself off social media. I took myself off Facebook. I took myself off LinkedIn. I didn't engage in any of those platforms for over a year.

Kristen O'Meara: 8:08

What an honorable step because Just from knowing a lot of therapists and being in that world. And I know that's not exactly, I know you are a counselor, but that's just my reference of what I'm hearing.

Megan Edge: 8:23

Um, if we,

Kristen O'Meara: 8:25

first of all, this is a common occurrence for all healers, I think, but to not know the point in which you need to unplug. Uh, what happens, I think for a lot of folks is they think, Oh, this isn't for me. This isn't my path. They stop, uh, all together. And I think what you're offering is an act of courage because it takes courage to know when to pause and step back. It's, it's a, it's a pivot that I think is. Incredibly valuable for not only yourself and your family, but for your clients who you will return to. And I think what I've seen over the years is, is therapists, especially new ones or healers. I think that, okay, this isn't for me. Um, so what a wonderful, um, part of your journey that you're sharing with us, because I think that is a part of the journey that is maybe the shadow part. People don't want to talk about it. People are ashamed of that, of that aspect of being a

Megan Edge: 9:35

healer. That's absolutely true. And I have a healer's program. It's, it's on pause right now, but I I've taught it for many, many years called the self confident healer. Um, it's a year long intensive program to for women who know that they are healers have the capacity to be healers and, and don't yet know how to step into that, or they're coming from conventional healing modalities like mainstream medicine. And they're, they're burnt out from that approach, and they're looking for something different or complementary to that mainstream medicine. And in the course, absolutely and fundamentally, every single section that we do, the work is ours to do first, before we can then help someone else. In that process. Oh, I love the students go through all of the various tools that I'm teaching them that they're going to be able to share with their clients. They have to sit in those practices and in those modalities and they have to let their stuff come to the surface and work with it in the container that we create of that course so that when they leave the program. And they say to their client. So here's what I need you to do. I've got this mirror exercise and I need you to stand naked in front of your mirror and I need you to really see who you are. They've done it. Yes.

Kristen O'Meara: 10:52

And I've done that exercise.

Megan Edge: 10:56

No, it's not easy. And then the therapist knows, you know, the healer knows what that feels like. And so they can, they can. Tell they can say that to their client. I know how hard this is going to be I know you're gonna just feel like all squirmy and you're not gonna want to do it but I'm gonna hold you to it because I've been there and I know what that feels like and you can you can do this And we can do this together and it it really to my mind It helps that empowerment piece because as far as I'm concerned if you're a healer and I don't care What kind of healer you are your mainstream medicine doctor? You're a surgeon. You're a psychiatrist. You're an alternative healer. You're an energy healer your role Is to empower your client. To heal themselves. Oh, amen.

Kristen O'Meara: 11:40

It is so, so true. It is so true. And I love that you were offering this course. And, and I, um, I would love to know more about that course. Cause I, I would love to be able to let folks know about it when it's, when it's on. Um, because that is. I think that is the true path of that archetype that you're talking about. Chiron, the, the wounded healer. Um, because As if folks don't know who Chiron is. I don't know if it was a Greek or Roman, uh, story. It could be an aspect of both. I don't know because they all kind of, you know, take on the mythology, right? Whoever's in power. They borrow from each other. He, he was a centaur, right?

Megan Edge: 12:31

I believe. And

Kristen O'Meara: 12:33

he had a wound that, that he could not heal or that did not heal. It did not heal. It did not heal. And from his experience of being in pain and having that suffering. He learned a lot and he became a master healer and helped others. That's the short, I think the short, um, uh, part of the story. So we need to know, and we, well, we need to learn from our suffering.

Megan Edge: 13:03

For sure, for sure. Absolutely, and at the same time, that empowerment piece is so important. What I want any, anybody that I work with, what I want them to come away from any interaction that we have together with is that they are the healer of themselves. Yes. They know themselves better than anyone else does. It's not my job to tell them what to do or how to do it. My role is to is supportive. My role is like the wisdom keeper for them. Here's here's what my intuition is bringing forward for what that person's needs are or where where that person's story is coming from. And then with their sharing of their story. I can help them create a new relationship with the way in which they're telling that story. Yes. Through the language that they're speaking, through the perspective that they have, through understanding that they are not a victim, but rather are a participant in the things that they have experienced and are experiencing in their lives. But not from a place of, therefore it's their fault, but from a place of, This is the participation. How do you change then the participation if it's not working for you, if it's not how you want it to be going, you know, yeah. And then that responsibility piece is really key. When someone tells me their story, they can tell me their story from that place of and then he said this to be and she did that to me. And okay, let's let's have that story exist. And then let's look at how we change the client's relationship to their story in order to empower them. That's right. Making those intuitive choices for themselves and understand that at the end of the day, no one else is responsible for their well being except for them. And so then, yeah, how do we give them the tools so that they can take that responsibility? Oh, I just

Kristen O'Meara: 14:54

love that. I love that, that what you're saying, the healer is taking ownership of who they are. They're the only ones that know themselves the way that they do, or they're the expert of themselves. And they're, like you said, they're They're empowered, learning to be more and more empowered as, as much work as they do for themselves. And they're like, what you're saying, this is what I'm hearing you say is they're holding their clients accountable. And they're allowing their clients to find their intuition, their inner voice to heal themselves. So it's more like a guide more than, um, saying, I'm going to shape you into. What I think you should be honoring, honoring the client and their story. Yes, absolutely. But then helping the client be more objective. Cause I think that that's the shame with, especially, um, in traditional counseling, although there there's so many wonderful counselors out there, but I think their clients get stuck in a story.

Megan Edge: 16:05

Mm hmm. Well, not only the client gets stuck in a story, but so does the therapist, the therapist gets stuck in a yes. And when I went through social work, so when I was in university, I was doing women's studies as a undergrad. And then I was doing a graduate program in social work at the same time. And what I was seeing in the way in which social work was being taught at the university that I was at August taught. Probably in many places. And this was 30 years ago. So yeah, hopefully it's changed, but maybe not. Um, what I was seeing them what we were being taught was that this is the way we understand human psychology. This is the way we understand human relationship. This is the only way in which we can deal with solve problem solve help. And there was no room in that training to step outside of that and suggest other ways. Different ways, spiritual ways, holistic ways, creative ways, instead, everything was boxed up into little compartments of, of, of experience. You have a particular

Kristen O'Meara: 17:11

person here, they need this, that kind of thing.

Megan Edge: 17:14

Yeah, and because it's, it's government managed because there's a lot of overhead and there's a lot of bureaucracy, there isn't a lot of room, at least there didn't used to be a lot of room to step outside of that. So what, what you ended up with was one size fits all solutions or one size fits all medicine. And we still have that in a lot of ways in our mainstream medical system here in North America. We have very much one pill for everybody, one injection for everybody, one approach for everybody. And we are each unique. Beautiful individuals. We have different metabolisms. We have different thought patterns. We have different cultural references. We have we're different from one another. Yes. And so understanding that and then approaching healing from that perspective that each individual has their own unique blueprint for healing as the healer. I think, and that's what I teach my healers. You need to step out of what you think is right for someone else and listen to their story and then lean into their story and feel through your intuition, okay, what, what would help most right now, nevermind step one, step two, step three, step four, what will help right now with what I know. That I can share that will be of benefit to my, to my client. And sometimes it's nice and light and sometimes it's pretty straight to the point, which I often am with my clients because I don't know that a lot of, in a lot of cases, a lot of clients have come back to me to say, no one has ever spoken to me like that before. And thank you. Oh, I think

18:54

we

Kristen O'Meara: 18:54

all, we all need healers in our lives that will say something that, that they, uh, that other folks don't say. That the courage in a safe space.

Megan Edge: 19:04

In a, in a safe space. Supportive space. Yeah. Safe, supportive, um, direct. Mm-Hmm.

Kristen O'Meara: 19:11

feedback is, is a blessing. Is a blessing.'cause it's another awakening. That's right. Um, that that person can have, yeah, I just, you know, I, when I was reading, uh, folks, please go to Megan's website and it's megan edge ca ca.ca. That's the Canada, right? I'm Canada. I was about to do calm and I was like, Nope, I didn't see that Um, and we're gonna give you more information about how to reach Megan later, but I loved reading your bio and. I loved reading all of the, the modalities you use in your healers toolkit, because what it reminded me of, and I think we'll, we'll touch on this in a moment, your love of nature and how you were, how you were brought up in relationship with nature, which is, is really incredible. But just to touch on what you were talking about with healers and working with healers and, and healing ourselves, it sounds like you have a very good sense of. The senses, but we need to smell and touch and taste and using our intuition because I had a moment of when you were talking about sitting with a client and trying to maybe not trying to, maybe that's not the right word, but getting in touch with their soul and leaning into their story and allowing your intuition or my intuition or whomever to. Understand what they need in the moment and looking at your toolkit, you have acquired so many different tools to use. Can you speak a little bit

Megan Edge: 20:58

about that? Oh, gosh, where do I begin? Uh, yes, there is a long list.

Kristen O'Meara: 21:07

Well, we could start with nature, perhaps. Yeah, I think with your family, um, and what you learn with foraging and the different parts of Canada that you lived. And I believe first it was the coast. Yeah, so it is a child and then the woods. I just

Megan Edge: 21:26

yeah, yeah, I was born on the west coast of Canada in Vancouver, um, B. C., which is just north of Washington and Seattle for those of you who are in the U. S. So you get a sense of where we are, uh, right on the coast. There's mountains. There's forests. There's the ocean. It's a really dynamic geographical location. Um, and then when I was quite little, we moved from Vancouver to Victoria, which is on Vancouver Island. So it's a separate state. Part of Canada, but quite close to the mainland and that's where I live now. I've come back to my, to my roots. And I was just, I was very, very fortunate to grow up in a foraging family. My father at a very early age wanted to learn about the outdoors. His father was a hunter and an outdoorsman as well. So it kind of came down the line and my mom embraced it when they were together and were married. So I learned as, as a tiny little thing to identify mushrooms that were to pick berries that we could eat. Uh, greens, wild greens like fiddleheads and wild garlic and all of that and, and it just, it infused my childhood and even though we were living in the cities, I lived in Vancouver, I lived in Victoria, Montreal, big city in Canada, Toronto, Halifax, I was always surrounded by, by nature and we're very fortunate that most of our cities in Canada are very Bye. Bye. Nature oriented, there's lots of parks, there's lots of trees, you know, you don't have to go out into a deep forest in order to forage, you can forage in your own neighborhood, which is one of the things that I, I teach people how to do. I have a, I have a number of different businesses, and one of them is called Beyond the Garden Gate Botanicals, and in that I teach people how to forest, how to forage in the forest and the beaches and in the urban settings. And then what to do with the things that they have found, you know, how to identify that, but then what do you do when you found wild garlic? How do you use it? Or how do you work with these amazing mushrooms for nutrition and medicine and that sort of a thing. And, and so all of that was what I grew up with. In addition to that. I learned at a very early age how to cook and prepare foods. So I didn't grow up with a lot of packaged foods or pre prepared foods or fast food. I grew up in a kitchen where we started from scratch and we made amazing meals using spices and herbs and fresh vegetables and fresh meats. And keep in mind, I'm living in a big city when we're doing this. You can, you can do this wherever you live. Your health is going to be so much better. better when you use food as medicine, which is what Socrates said thousands of years ago, you know, let food be thy medicine. Where do you think we got vitamins from before we had dollar supplement industry? You know, you got your B vitamins from your carrots and the dirt that was on the carrots and skin that was on the carrots that you didn't. I don't know. Like that's, it's a whole, it's a whole practice and it, and it helps, you know, and it helps not just with our physical wellbeing, but it helps with our mental wellbeing. So when somebody comes to me as a client and says, you know, I'm suffering from depression, or I have these triggers, or I've got PTSD, or I'm just feeling really unhealthy. Sure. We're going to look at the, at the emotional story and the energetic story. And we're going to start looking at the nutrition story. Oh, absolutely. What are you eating? What are you putting into your body? Because this whole dynamic system that is our body has so many different layers. It's multifaceted. And that's what I

Kristen O'Meara: 24:51

love about intuition development. And it's just such a big passion of mine because what a journey that is, is to once we really know ourselves in that way, we can look at food. And intuitively know, okay, I really need this. I'm getting a sense that I need that. And I think that's a wonderful intuitive practice. Really just what you said. I mean, there's so much there, but just using our intuition to know, you know, I, I, I really. I'm really craving or I'm really wanting berries.

Megan Edge: 25:29

Salad. Yeah. Yeah. Or chocolate because chocolate can be medicine as well when it's good chocolate. Absolutely.

Kristen O'Meara: 25:36

And I don't want to derail you too much, but I really also found what you said. Very interesting for someone say who is depressed and Hasn't perhaps been eating well, and hasn't isn't really going outside much. What a wonderful way to reconnect with the earth with

Megan Edge: 25:58

our natural home. Right. Yes, absolutely. And we have become disconnected. You know, it's not hard to see how disconnected much of the population is, especially in urban settings in North America. You know, you've got these big, huge cities. When I look at images of New York, for example, I've never been to New York. I hear it's a lovely place, very vibrant. There's lots going on. There's the huge park in the middle of it and all of that. But what I often see is a lot of buildings. There's so many buildings, so much concrete. Natural light doesn't exist in the center of New York or in any downtown core if there's tall buildings, the way that it does if you're out in the suburbs even right or out where you don't have that constriction and I. I find myself feeling actually quite claustrophobic when I see, um, you know, images of cities from up, up above like drone images from cities. And I think, Ooh, that's not for me.

Kristen O'Meara: 27:02

It reminds me of living in San Francisco and it was always very shape. There was no light really. When you go in, in between those big buildings, it's like the lights blocked. And yeah, I know what you're saying. I, it is,

Megan Edge: 27:14

it's, it's. Yeah. And so to be able to, even in places like that, you can find that little park or that little corner where there is that little bit of extra light, that little bit of extra green. Go there, go there and sit and put your feet on the ground and feel the earth beneath your feet and let yourself open in your solar plexus to, okay, this was once. a forest. There were once trees here. There were brooks and there were grasslands and that memory imprint still exists underneath the concrete. This is an exercise that I get my students to do when we're doing the confident healer. Is to find a place that's concrete and sit there with your feet on the ground on a bench or whatever and just close your eyes and imagine what that landscape looked like 300 years ago or 100 years ago or however long it's been since, you know, that concrete was laid down there. All of the microorganisms are still there. You know, the mycelium is still there. The little bugs are still there. They're just, they're in hibernation right now because they can't get to the surface, but they're still there and, and you can connect with them. You know, I've had clients say to me, Oh, but I live in a big city. I can't possibly connect to nature. Well, sorry. B. S. Yes, you can. Buy a plant. You can do it. You know, get a pot of flowers and put them on your balcony or get a bouquet and stick it on your table. Do not deprive yourself. Of nature, you do so at risk to your health and well being and we see it as a crisis, it's a mental health crisis, it's an obesity crisis, it's, it's all, it's dementia, it's Parkinson's, it's Alzheimer's, it's heart, it's cardiovascular. All of this can be healed. There's lots of ways that we can heal it and I don't mean pharmaceuticals here. I mean taking responsibility for our environment and how we show up in that environment. Stop the fast foods, stop the packaged foods. You do have choice. You do have options. You can do it. You don't have to do it by yourself. You can have someone to guide you with it, but if you really want to be healthy, there are very easy ways and affordable ways that you can do it. And another

Kristen O'Meara: 29:27

one that you are adept at is the aromatherapy. That's another way we can tap into our natural world.

Megan Edge: 29:36

Yes. Yes. Oh, I love that you're talking about aromatherapy. I love working with essential oils. We could do a whole other podcast on essential oils. Oh, I would love that. You know and learn about them. The first thing that I will say about aromatherapy though is that there are a lot of essential oils on the market. that are not medicinal essential oils. They smell nice, however, they've been so processed or they've had um, extenders put in or alcohol or they've been, they've been processed so much to get the sweeter smell that they don't have the medicinal benefit and in some cases actually using them in aromatherapy, like using them on your skin or using them in a diffuser is not good for your health because of the other chemicals that have been put in them in order to make them cheaper and affordable. It is worth Your while to invest in, even if it's only going to be a couple of key ones like lavender or peppermint or eucalyptus pure unadulterated medicinal quality essential oils. Yes. It makes all the difference if you want to be using these oils as part of your healing journey and they are amazing. Are they hard to find? No. No. Okay. No, they're not hard to find. There's a couple of really excellent companies out there that are committed to making, um, to making pure unadulterated, um, what's the word I'm looking for? Organically grown. Yes. Ethically sourced, sustainable, growing practices. Um, I, my personal favorite is Young Living. I've been working with Young Living Oils for the last five or six years. I haven't heard of them. That's good to know. They're amazing. I'm happy to talk to you about it afterwards. You can, you can look them up, Google them. Um, just an incredible story of how that company was started and the man who started it, Gary Young and his story of healing and his focus on, on giving people a way to heal themselves. You know, to empower themselves through these different healing modalities. And he was very big on nutrition. He was very big on, um, getting vitamins from our, you know, environment, the foods that we eat, and then also creating these amazing blends, the synergistic blends of pure, these pure essential oils to help with various kinds of healings. I can't, I'm not allowed by law to make any health claims about what an essential oil can do or what a blend can do, um, but I can speak anecdotally. To what my own experience has been or what my clients and students experiences have been with using these oils specifically for particular ailments. And the results that, that people have had once they understand how to, how to work with these. So when I work with a client, we're also looking at how can we support their goals, their journey, what they need to heal. By using the essential oils and I will intuitively create blends for them or I'll go to my resources and find blends that have already been designed that I'll then create for them that they take home and they work with in between our sessions. So that they are continuing the healing in their own homes with the tools that I can provide for them, right? So the essential oils are some of those tools. The botanical products that I make are some of those tools, things like the oracle cards, the hearts, those are tools. Yes.

Kristen O'Meara: 33:01

And we're going to get into that right after.

Megan Edge: 33:04

So that they can continue. It's not like they come and see me for 90 minutes. And then they don't do any healing for the next week or two until they see me again. They have homework, and they are expected, I have an expectation of them that they will reach that, that, they'll, they'll stay with whatever it is that we have worked on that day throughout the time in between seeing me. Using these tools, they give them something to work with and they love it. Clients love it.

Kristen O'Meara: 33:31

Oh, of course. Cause you're, you're allowed, you're giving them so many gifts for one thing. I mean, there's so many layers to what you're, what you're talking about and I don't want to take, I want to get to the, the Oracle cards, but healing, it's a simple but complex journey. And what I love about you offering different modalities. Is that we, we can have a sense of what aromatherapy can do to help us, but it can be doing something that we had never anticipated. Yes, or the food or getting out in nature. It's allowing these different healing modalities to, to invoke, uh, something that, that will perhaps surprise us. Cause I think we have a lot of expectations when we're on a healing journey. We want this and this and this too. Be settled in done with, or we want to feel better or happy, but gosh, when we go on a healing journey, using different tools, it can. Bring us to a place

Megan Edge: 34:44

of what I

Kristen O'Meara: 34:47

have experiences, a lot of joy and wonder and wanting more opening up that curiosity of, Oh, what else is out there? This is, this is enjoyable. It's not drudgery. So I feel a lot of joy when you're explaining these different ways of healing.

Megan Edge: 35:06

Well, what I think is so important is that word journey. Yes. And when I say this, I want to be really clear with the audience. I'm, I'm not, I have nothing against mainstream medicine per se. It has saved my life on many occasions. I have been in emergency situations where without that immediate response, I wouldn't be here right now. I get that. And I get there's amazing doctors and nurses and practitioners out there. There's, I mean, it's, it's not black or white, right? There's lots of different varieties of people like there are in anything. What I see as a failing of our mainstream medical system. Is that it isn't curious anymore. Oh, that is. Yeah. And, and it's, it's, um, the, the approach is one size fits all and how can we immediately address the symptoms, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of curiosity for this source, and I speak from personal experience with this. My daughter developed. a neurological condition very suddenly when she was 16 and all of us were, were completely taken aback. But it's like, what is this? Where did this come from? How did it happen? And mainstream medicine didn't know what to do with it. They, they didn't recognize it. They didn't. And so what we were given was, well, here's a drug to help with the seizures and here's, here's what you can do for the nausea as a medicine. And that was it. And I said to one of the doctors, yes, but Where did this condition come from? And he said to me, that's not important. Let's just

Kristen O'Meara: 36:39

treat that. Let's put the bandaid on.

Megan Edge: 36:41

Yeah. What matters is that we manage the symptoms. And I said to him, no, that's not good enough. I want to understand what caused it. Cause every single symptom has a cause. Absolutely. It's not, it's not good enough to say, Oh, well, we don't know. We don't know where it came from. Then find out where it came from. Get curious. Do the, do the research, look into it for goodness sakes. Well, there is, there, there is

Kristen O'Meara: 37:04

a, um, a growing concern and this is, uh, you know, rabbit hole that I know we won't get into too much, but how mainstream medicine or doctors. Um, they're no longer the scientists that they once were. They don't, they don't. They're so boxed in probably by the administrative aspect that they, they either don't have the time or they haven't been taught how to be more curious

Megan Edge: 37:33

or they're not allowed or they're not allowed. And we've seen that in the last four years. We have seen that. So they're not

Kristen O'Meara: 37:39

allowed. So we do need to highlight. And I think that's what you're really saying. The alternative. Medicinal or their alternative healing approaches because. For one, they offer so much hope and in addition to per se of the mainstream medicine, because of course, if someone's having seizures, they need to be treated. But if we, we have to be the curious ones, we have to take ownership of our health. I think it's another big aspect, at least that's how I see it. Is that. Instead of allowing any experts, you know, giving, giving our ownership away, giving our truth away,

Megan Edge: 38:31

or, um, we

Kristen O'Meara: 38:35

have to be the one to hold

Megan Edge: 38:36

that and that can take a lot of courage and risk for some of us. Exactly. And, and, you know, the medicine is a big, um, environment when a person walks into a hospital or a clinic and there's. person comes out wearing the white coat and the stethoscope. There's something actually called white coat syndrome. Yes. Even the most intelligent, most self confident person sees that and immediately becomes small and compliant and acquiescent and forgets every question that they came in with. Hi, it's a very, very, Oh, I've felt it before. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. It's like deer. It's like deer in the headlight. Like, Oh, uh, do I have any other questions? Nope. I'll just take your prescription and go. And so where there can be an advocate, you know, someone who can help a person navigate that system and be able to be that voice for them or their, that coach, um, to help with the medical system. It's one of the things that I do for my clients as well when I'm, when I'm special for doing home care with clients. And they're in the, and they're in the medical system is, okay, so let's think about the questions you're going to ask next time you see your practitioner, your doctor, whomever, and let's make sure we write them down and bring them with you, you know, and I can come with you to that appointment and I can be that sounding board or that confident energy so that a person gets the treatment that they need. Because again, at the end of the day, it's actually not the doctor's responsibility to make sure that you are well and healthy. That's right. That's your responsibility. So stop giving your power over to that white coat and, and start looking at how can you keep yourself healthy. Oh, I love that. And out of the hospital and out of the doctor's office, right? And the beautiful thing about things like, like nutrition and aromatherapy and counseling is that it's not like that. Right? You're not going to get a pill and immediately feel better. Something that keeps popping into my mind, you know, talking about intuition, I'm getting this little nudge to say this. I remember reading one time a doctor who was doing a lot of studying on water and how chronically dehydrated most of us are and how we're not drinking water properly for it to get into our cells in order to make us be healthy and help our immune system. He said, think about this. You get a headache. What do you do? You go and you take a aspirin or a Tylenol or acetaminophen and you get a big glass of water and you drink the water as you put the pill into your mouth. He says, what's giving you the better benefit? The glass of water or the inert pill that you just took? His argument was it's the water. Most headaches are caused by dehydration. Drink a glass of water with a pinch of salt in it first. Wait 20 minutes, 10 or 20 minutes, which is what they tell you on the bottle of Tylenol. You know, wait 20 minutes. But within 20 minutes, if you've taken that pinch of salt in that water, that water's gotten into all your cells, everything starts working again, including your brain, which has gotten dried out and you don't have a headache anymore. And that is water. It's

Kristen O'Meara: 41:44

really what I'm hearing is a theme of be curious and investigate and learn about different ways to heal and, and trust that. If that doesn't work, then something else will, because I think what happens for a lot of us on a healing journey is that. We may try one or two things and go, okay, this isn't for me, but it's really a lot of it is about experimentation and trust because the journey is really, um, that's a whole other, uh, episode, but there's a lot of unknown. There's a lot of uncertainty and it, it, it can be difficult, especially when we're in pain and we want to heal. So a lot of it, at least for me speaking for myself, it's a lot of experimentation

Megan Edge: 42:33

and I would say as well being present. Yes. Something that I've been teaching myself and learning over many, many decades, having experienced chronic pain, I was given a diagnosis of fibromyalgia about 15, almost 20 years ago now. And. I was in, I was in such pain and such agony, I had two little tiny kids running around and I felt like I was such like the worst, not the worst, I felt like the most unhealthy 95 year old I could possibly be. And I was in my thirties and I had gone to every mainstream medicine, I'd gone to every specialist and of course the specialists specialize, that's why they're called specialists. So the elbow doctor isn't talking to the knee doctor, right? They've got completely different specialties. And it was when I went to a naturopath and she spent an hour with me. Which is better than the 10 minutes you get with a regular doctor. And again, they've got their own constraints. And she looked at every single symptom, every single thing that I was experiencing, and she connected these dots and she said, I'd like you to go home and look up this particular condition called fibromyalgia. Just look at it, read everything about it. See if you check off any of the boxes and then come back and see me. So I did that. I checked off every box. I thought, oh my gosh, there's a thing. There's a something. There's a something that this could be that could explain what I'm experiencing and that I can then have that information and do something with. So I came back to see her a week later and I said, yeah, this is what it feels like is happening. And she said, great. So are you willing to make some changes? I said, absolutely. Because I didn't want to be taking drugs for my pain. I didn't want to be taking any of that kind of stuff. It has its time and place, but I didn't want to be using it all the time. Because I also, I also knew intuitively that it was poisoning me. Yeah, it's too much for my system to be able to cope with. So she said, take weed out of your diet immediately, all gluten. Out of your diet. And then she said, start looking at your life. Oh, isn't that interesting. And are you living your life? How are you living your life? Oh, what a gift. Amazing. It was an amazing experience because I took gluten out of my diet and Honestly, it feels to me like the next day, it was probably a couple of days, but I remember dancing around my kitchen with my girls, swirling around, because I could move and my brain was clear and I was feeling all vital and sexy, which I hadn't felt in a really long time. And I get my goosebumps is one of my intuitive things when I, when I talk about it, because it was such a dramatic. I don't know how many times I turned around that day, but it was incredible, it was incredible. But taking the gluten out and changing my, the way I was eating, which was already very healthy component to it, wasn't enough. Then I had to look for the source. Right. And I believe, and I'm not alone in this, any physical ailment or injury that we experience has its source in an emotional story, an emotional experience and an energetic experience.

Kristen O'Meara: 45:39

Well, I have one briefly, which was a foot injury. It was a heel pad injury and it took eight or nine months to heal, but I went into meditation because I was getting so frustrated. And I asked. One of my guides first to heal me, please, please give me some healing. And the, what I got immediately is this is about not being in balance. You need to find balance in your life. We can't heal this for you. And then of course I was upset. I'm like, why I'm a single mom and I deserve this I've been through hell, but, but I had to just, Kinda like what you said, put my big girl pants on and go, okay, what's, what, what is not in balance?

Megan Edge: 46:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I was saying earlier about being present to the pain. Yeah. I get how painful things can be. I know that personally I it, pain is a, is crippling. It can be crippling. What it is, is a message from your body. Your body is saying, help me. Pay attention. Yes. Pay attention. This pain is because something isn't working in my system. I'm out of balance somewhere. You're not eating the right food. Not to put it that way. Let's say you could be eating better food. You could be drinking more water. You could be addressing your childhood traumas. And not all of us are willing or wanting to do that. And that's another aspect of healing is the, the sort of the, not the wounded healer, but the wounded client who is so used to being in pain is so used to the response that they receive from the people around them. The attention that that is they've created an identity. Yes, around whatever their illness is, whether it's mental or physical or, you know, whatever it happens to be. I've always said I was given, actually I changed it. offered a diagnosis of fibromyalgia. I have love that I was offered a diagnosis of fibromyalgia and then it was up to me to learn how to manage the symptoms of that experience and how to heal the emotional wounds that were underneath the physical symptoms and the physical symptoms were my body's way of saying please help us and so the symptoms become a friend they become an ally In understanding what is happening at that emotional and that energetic level. Oh, that is

Kristen O'Meara: 48:07

wonderful. Thank you for gifting us with that because I, that I, that is something that I want to sit with and think about for myself.

Megan Edge: 48:17

Yeah. Yeah. What a gift. Thank you. You're welcome. One of the practices that I've taken on recently is if I, if I feel an ache or a pain in my body before I immediately go to, well, I don't anymore go to a pharmaceutical solution. Um, but let's say before I even go to the heating pad or rubbing on some essential oils that can help with the ache, I'm giving myself permission to sit and feel. What is that pain in my shoulder or what is that little headache or what is that pain in my toe? I just want to sit with it and I want to Breathe and see what I can do about it just by sitting in it and then feeling into, okay, what do I, what does that need? What does my shoulder need? Hey, shoulder, what do you need right now? Well, I need you to stretch or I need you to stop moving or I need you to get up from the computer. Yes. Oh, okay, cool. I'm going to do that. And then what are you from? And it might be from an old sports injury. It. And then you'd go, okay, well, why did I get injured at that time? And why is it showing up now? It might just be because you went swimming yesterday for the first time in a week or two, and the muscles are just moving through the lactic acid and, you know, the other inflammation that you got from a little bit of overuse. It's not chronic, it doesn't really need anything. It's going to resolve on its own. You just need to give it permission. You need to trust and say, okay, I trust you, body. You will take care of this. I'll be a little uncomfortable for a couple of hours, but then it'll be okay and I guarantee you remember you had that pain by the end of the day or a few hours later in that kind of a circumstance. Well, what a wonderful

Kristen O'Meara: 50:03

way to be more in relationship with our body in the consciousness of our body and being co inhabitants or, you know what I'm saying? One thing that I. It reminds me of also gratitude. I re I don't, I don't take as many baths now. It's kind of, well, it's a weird thing. No one needs to really know why, because I didn't really like the bathtub where I live the way I lived before I loved the bathtub. So anyway, I took a lot of baths and I needed a lot of baths at that time in my life. But I remember just looking at my feet and just going, gosh, thank you. Thank you for carrying me all of these years and look where you've been. So it's, it's also interesting. It's a, I guess a bit of a juxtaposition, but it's interesting to also listen to our pain and speak to our body and be curious and use our intuition and also to be grateful to

Megan Edge: 51:04

absolutely. Look, this is the one body you've got for this whole life journey. Yeah, it's unique. You've never had this body before you'll never have it again Why wouldn't you want to be in right relationship with it? It is a symbiotic relationship Yes, there is whatever we consider to be the soul or the thinking mind or you know that creative aspect of ourselves That's being expressed Through this physical body because we're in corporeal form here. We need to be in a physical form in order to navigate Earth and pick up a pencil and you know, all those sorts of things. And, and I, it's a rhetorical question but really think about this. Why wouldn't you want to be in right relationship with your body, whatever that is for you, that could fill pages. If

Kristen O'Meara: 51:53

someone, someone's on a healing journey, wanting to know more about themselves, will you say that question

Megan Edge: 51:58

again? Why would you want to be in right relationship with your body? Whatever that is for you, because what's for me is right. Relationship with my body. Isn't going to be for you or for the cashier at the grocery store or for the post office personnel, or for your child. Your, this is your responsibility, this amazing body, and I don't care how much pain it's in or how many times you think it has failed you, you're, you wouldn't be here without it. That's right. It's the most important relationship. It's more important than your relationship with your spouse or your children. It's the relationship with yourself and the physicalness of your being. I

Kristen O'Meara: 52:39

totally agree.

Megan Edge: 52:41

Totally agree. And if you don't have a good relationship with your body, it's going to be hard for you to have a good relationship with any of the other people in your life. That's true. Bottom line. When somebody comes to me and says, you know, my marriage is suffering or my relationship is this, the other thing, one of the first questions I'll ask them is, how do you feel about yourself? Where, where are you with you? Oh, I can't stand the way I look or, oh, I, I'm, I'm a failure or I'm a this or I'm a that. How can you let someone else love you if you can't? Love yourself. You're doing yourself a huge disservice and as a service to the people around you who are trying to love you, that's probably aren't getting very far with that because of where you are with you. Oh,

Kristen O'Meara: 53:23

it's so true. And now I think this is a perfect time to talk about your amazing Oracle deck, which is what

Megan Edge: 53:33

brought us

Kristen O'Meara: 53:35

in communication to do this episode. And a big part of, I think what we're talking about. Is the

Megan Edge: 53:43

heart. Absolutely.

Kristen O'Meara: 53:46

And I would love for you to share with us

Megan Edge: 53:50

about

Kristen O'Meara: 53:50

your story of how this came to be, how this Oracle deck came

Megan Edge: 53:56

to be. Okay. So as I was separating out from my marriage of about 23 years, which was part of that. Being offered the diagnosis of fibromyalgia and being asked this question of, you know, how am I living in my life and how would I want to be living my life. Part of what I had to do and it wasn't even like I made a conscious choice it just things started to show up within the marriage that gave me the opportunity to really start looking beyond the blinders that I had erected. Where I had this belief, this story that everything was fine and everything was great and we had this amazing, wonderful relationship. And on some levels we did, but behind the bedroom door, as they say, there were other things that were going on that I had allowed for a very long time that was crippling me because what was happening is that resentment was building up in my bloodstream and that's what resentment does is an emotion that gets into our bloodstream and it was literally crippling me. Yes. So I knew that if I was going to live. And I don't mean that to sound overly dramatic, but I knew intuitively that if I was going to live and thrive and do the work that I wanted to do in the world, I needed to, I needed to address what was happening in that time. Marriage and that relationship and how I was showing it and how I was allowing myself to be treated. And so as this was unfolding and unfurling and falling into many different parts, I said to the universe, I just need a sign. Give me a sign that when I see it, that symbol, that object, that number, whatever it is, when I see it, I'm reminded that I am doing the best I can with what I know at the time and that I'm following my heart above all other voices. And the universe has an amazing sense of humor and the universe immediately started showing me hearts. Okay, so it's heart stones or, you know, somebody painted a heart on the side of a building or a leaf. We're

Kristen O'Meara: 56:00

going to show Megan something really specific that she can't not see. You know what I'm saying? Cause we need those, we need those symbols that we can just like see. Cause we're just all so in our stuff. Yeah.

Megan Edge: 56:14

Well, and here's the thing about the heart. It can break. You know, our hearts are, there's, there's the physical heart, you know, we can pull up a diagram and look at all the valves and all the things in the chambers of the heart. And then there's the emotional heart, which imprints itself onto our physical heart. And when we are carrying heartbreak from, it doesn't matter how long ago, it could be last week. It could be 40 or 50 years ago. We're carrying that, and it hasn't been addressed, resolved, healed, acknowledged. That is going to have an effect on our heart, on the physicalness of our heart. And people, people die of broken hearts. It's well documented. It happens. And not only that, but all depression, I believe, results and resonates from the heart. And what we, what we have been given externally, and then what we create internally for ourselves. So that having been said, I said, okay, I want to start seeing hearts. All right, I need a symbol and it became, became, right. And I started taking photographs of these hearts as I saw them with my cell phone. And I just kept them to myself. They were my reminders, especially on a really difficult day as things were unraveling emotionally, and I was doing my very best to try to keep them. Stay in integrity and keep everything together. This little heart would show up and I'd look up and go, okay, thank you. Take a moment, take a breath. What does my heart, what does my heart need? What does my heart want? And my then husband and I were in couples counseling. And one of the questions that the counselor asked us was specifically me. She said, what do you want? What do you need? What does your heart want? And in that moment, all I could say to her is. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know what I need or what I want. She said, well, you got to get, you better get clear. If this is going to work or this is going to need to change. Yeah. You need to know what you want. And I, I really took that to heart as we say, you know, that's one of those sayings, those hard things. Um, and, and the longer the shorter it was that I always had always wanted to navigate anything like this in my life with integrity. And to know that I was making the best possible choices that I knew how to make with as much information as I had, both emotionally and, you know, practically to make sure that everybody was okay, including my myself. So fast forward, um, I I'm now in my own home. I've got my daughters, they're going back and forth to the, to their father's place and to my place. And I'm, and I'm taking my healing practice and making it my full time job now, because I've got to support us. And a friend said to me, you really got to get on Facebook. And I said, I don't want to be on Facebook. I didn't know much about it at the time. But she said, no, no, no, just set up a page, set up a business page and start sharing those heart photos. Why would anyone want to see my heart photos? She said, no, just trust me. So I did, did the learning curve, figured it out. And I started just putting these pictures on Facebook and I was not prepared for. The response. I mean, it was just overwhelming. It was amazing. I had people writing to me with tears in their eyes saying, Oh my gosh, your heart was so beautiful that I saw now I'm seeing hearts too. And you've got to do something with these hearts. We want more. We want more. Um, and having worked with Oracle cards for decades and use them often in my practice, I used to do a lot of Oracle card readings for clients and, uh, and also just using them as a meditation tool or a healing tool. Uh, well, yeah, why not? Yeah. Make a, make an Oracle card deck and let's, let's have it be my photography and you know, let's have it be that this and that. And I, and then I realized I got again, I'm one of these intuitive hits that said, yes. And also you're going to need to share your story. I'm like, what story? What do you mean? I have to share my story. You know, that story about how you've asked for help and the why of why you asked for help. You know, that whole relationship thing that was going on. I was like, yeah, nobody wants to hear that. The voice said, yeah, they do. Oh, yes. Damn. Okay. I mean, darn. Okay.

Kristen O'Meara: 1:00:17

So that's a hard, that's a hard step for a lot of us. Oh my god. The vulnerability of. Huge. Yes.

Megan Edge: 1:00:25

Yes. Huge. Huge. And even as a counselor at that time and doing these, this intuitive counseling and everything, I still, there was this little, like this, this old story that came up that said, well, who would want to hear about what I've been through? Mm hmm. Oh. I mean, okay, now I look back at it and go, really? Come on. But that's where I was at the time. I said, okay, fine, that's what you're asking me to do, that's what I'm going to do. Because what I had also noticed is that in the other Oracle card decks that I had been working with for years and years, there was no connection shared between the author of those Oracle cards and the origin of those Oracle cards. That,

Kristen O'Meara: 1:00:59

you know, I don't think I've ever seen that before.

Megan Edge: 1:01:02

Yeah. And my work is all about story. You know, I'm a story holder and then a story, I don't know, evolver or whatever, you know, we changed that story. And I thought, okay, if I'm going to do this again in integrity and I'm going to say, I'm, I know some things about the heart and how it can hurt and how it can heal. I'm going to have to demonstrate that. So I wrote my story in the front of the guidebook that comes with the box set. It was the most terrifying thing I've ever done in my entire life. Yes,

Kristen O'Meara: 1:01:32

this is for folks. Hopefully the glare isn't too, there it is.

Megan Edge: 1:01:40

Um, and so I, so I, I did it, I wrote it. And then, um, then I had all these images that I had to, that I wanted to pick from and I wanted to choose from. And I, I, again, I used my intuition. I put all my photos up on my screen and I just, I looked at them. Do you want to be in this deck? Yes. No. Okay. And I just made it real quick. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. 42. Within a couple of days, I had 42 images. In this same time, I, I had had tonsil surgery. Um, and as an adult, having a tonsillectomy is a huge deal. So it's a big, big operation. Um, in fact, the surgeon had said to me, are you sure? He said, I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. And I said, well, I've been sick for a really, really long time. And I'm getting stuck in my throat. And anyone who knows body talk will know, oh, throat, that's about voice. That's about your truth. That's about communicating. So I had the surgery. And then there was an emergency situation that occurred after the surgery and I almost died and I had to be flown in and they had to redo the surgery and in the days following. And I don't say that quickly to diminish it, but just, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. So, so afterwards I'm in my hospital room and my husband comes in with my laptop and he says, right, you're going to be here for at least three or four days. You need to write the messages for each of those heart cards. What a wonderful,

Kristen O'Meara: 1:03:00

wonderful

Megan Edge: 1:03:01

gift. And what was so interesting to me in retrospect is that I didn't have a voice, right, after my surgery, I had no voice. Oh, wow. Because of the way the surgery had to be done. So I couldn't get in the way of the messages that my heart wanted to share for each of the heart cards that are in that deck, the 42 cards that are in that deck. Wow. It was really powerful. Really powerful. Oh my goodness. Yeah. That is just profound. Yeah. And so from there, there's almost a whole process of, of publishing. We self published first and we created different aspects of it. There's a lot of moving pieces to it because it isn't just a book or a deck of cards. It's a whole box set. It's a healing toolkit. It is. You've got your deck of cards. They're all full color. You've got your pen and your bookmark. You've got your journal and then the guidebook. And then it's all in that really beautiful box set that you were showing.

Kristen O'Meara: 1:03:59

Oh, I just love it so much. And I've been, well, thank you for sharing your story. I don't want to, I don't want to rush, rush that. I, I think that's one of. Learning, learning to use my voice, whether it's podcasting or speaking my truth or sharing my story, um, parenting a child with autism or whatever has been probably one of the most challenging and most, um, fruitful maybe experiences of my life. And I think that, um, hearing your story and. Encouraging people, especially with the journal that you include in the box set to allow a part of ourselves to speak is so healing because I would imagine I know for me growing up, um, it wasn't encouraged. And I imagined that that's, that's not uncommon. And, um, Allowing it in and keeping with the theme here, allowing our heart to speak and what that would be like to journal that, because that's a part of our voice is just another aspect. I suppose.

Megan Edge: 1:05:21

Absolutely. Absolutely. And as women, like, let's pull out the women card for a moment in our culture, we are taught to not. Speak. It's still there. It's still in our classrooms. It's still in our workplaces. Yes, we've come a long way and we still have a long way to go. And yes, we have a bigger voice than some other women do in the world. And we need to be, we need to be in that energy of encouraging, encouraging, encouraging. Women need to have their voices heard. We have something to say. And you might not like it, but you're going to have to hear it. It's important. It's so important. I used to have chronic throat issues, chronic bronchitis. Um, I would always get strep throat. I ended up with tonsil, with having to get my tonsils taken out. All of that to me connects in with, with so the, the many, many times where I didn't feel that I had a voice. Or my voice was overridden. My idea wasn't heard. I was told to shut up and sit down or be quiet or not access that, which is why story is so important to me when I'm in with a client, whether they're male or female, tell me your story. You've got the whole room and I am your, your, you know, undivided audience. Tell me your story.

Kristen O'Meara: 1:06:43

And I imagine for some of them that could have been the first invitation or the first opportunity to really have

Megan Edge: 1:06:50

that space. To stand in non judgment of it. Yes. The other, that's the other key thing. A person can tell their story but feel really judged, or are they judging themselves for that story? And that was one of the processes of healing for me when I wrote my story, that part of the story about my marriage, and then let it go. Because once it's out there in the world, how it's received by somebody else is nothing to do with me. It's none of my business, and I have no control over how they And so it's really important to be able to sort of, uh, view or experience

Kristen O'Meara: 1:07:23

that story. That's that's a very good advice for people who are writing. And publishing their stories is to let it go and not be attached to like what you're saying someone's opinion of it.

Megan Edge: 1:07:41

And the way that I packaged it all up and it was really meaningful to you. Somebody else might not even look at it in the bookstore. It's like, Oh, whatever. I'm not even aware of it, which is totally fine. Yeah, it's absolutely fine. If they're looking for something that's going to be their tool, they'll find it. It doesn't have to be this. It's going to be something else that resonates for them, you know? And so my, I feel like my role as the, the author of this, as the orchestrator of these hearts is, is to, to release them.

Kristen O'Meara: 1:08:12

And just let them have, because I believe, I believe that what we create and share with the world has a life of its own and just to let it have a life of its own and how I resonated with your cards. First of all, the first card I picked was exactly how I was feeling. So how I have. Resonated. Oh my gosh. This was just the wounded healer, right? I just picked it up and we've been talking about the wounded healer. That's wild. When I use your cards, which I adore when I pick one, not knowing what it is, of course, cause you're using it as an Oracle.

Megan Edge: 1:08:53

It isn't, it

Kristen O'Meara: 1:08:58

is how I'm feeling and what I need to tap into. With regard to my, my feeling center, my heart center, it's reminding me to feel and I, I know that for myself and for other people that I, that I am, um, in relationship with feeling is not an easy thing. And what I, what I love first is that we can all resonate with the symbol of the heart. We're going to have experiences of that in a different way. We're all going to experience that symbol differently, but what it evokes is feeling. And this is such an incredible Oracle deck because it's helping us. Feel it's helping us in many ways. For me, that's how I'm interpreting it for myself in the moment or other people. It could be something completely different, but for myself, it's helping me listen to my heart and allow myself to have feelings that I may not want to

Megan Edge: 1:10:04

express. Which is why there's a journal. So you could write it down and no one else has to know about it.

Kristen O'Meara: 1:10:11

Yeah. So that's my experience and I wanted to share. So

Megan Edge: 1:10:15

beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. Yes. I, I work with my deck all the time. Uh, well, all the time, every once in a while I will come downstairs from my, my room and into my office and they're, they're sitting on my deck and I think, Oh yeah, today, today I should, I should pull a card and I just pulled one today. Oh! This is called Twin Hearts. Oh, tell us about that one. So the image of it, and when I, when I teach people about how to work with Oracle Cards, I, I, my, my teaching is the first thing you do is look at the picture. Don't look at the message yet. Just see the image. What do you see? What is your interpretation of what you're seeing here? Right. So for me, there's there's an echo. And what this is, is this is a little piece of brick that is shaped like a heart. I found it on the beach just like that. And I left it on the table, the coffee table outside on my front porch, and it rained. And I came out the next day and I went to pick it up and there was this little second heart. Perfect little heart. Oh. That the heart, that the brick had shed. Yes. Right. So you can, you can see that and you can, you can make all kinds of association with it, which is really what Oracle Cards are for. It's like an association game. And the message that Twin Hearts has, so the messages are on the back of the cards. The message is, your love is always with you, even when you are far apart. You are connected to one another and are a reflection of each other, separate but in the same breath. And so this could be that the person who pulls this card, their loved one is far away. And so this is that reminder that they're always connected. For me, when I look at this right now, my partner's at work, my husband's at work right now, so he's not in the house. But he's coming home in the evening. So we're, you know, we're still going to see each other. For me right now in this moment, it's that reminder of separate but in the same breath. Because in any relationship, it's important that you are separate, right? It's important that you don't become so enmeshed in the other person that you've forgotten who you are, which is very common in relationship. A healthy relationship has two people. Or three or four, depending on what you're into, but generally two people, it takes all types. And, and then there's this energy in between the two people. And this is where you can connect and mesh is in the energy between you, but you are still distinct. Yes. Right. And you breathe in to each other. And maybe one day you need to breathe a little more with your partner. And then the next day they need to breathe a little more with you, but there's always that flexibility. You know, that's in, that's in between you. And then we can take that card further. And when I pull a card like this in a, in something like a podcast, where we know that there's the energy of anyone who is witnessing it, the, this is, this card is for them as well as for the community. Yes. So this is also a number nine. Um, all the cards are numbered. I do a lot of work with numerology as well as one of my modalities. So nine is about completion. Yeah. It's. So 10 is complete and then the cycle continues and you go back to one, nine is that energy of bringing it all together. So for me, nine is a container of everything that's come before it's held in the container. And then in any relationship, in any connection, there's always growth or there should be needs to be. And so the next. Phase of growth resets the cycle to one, and then you bring back in the energy of one into the relationship in whatever way that it does that. So I love that aspect, but I actually, I just opened it to this card.

Kristen O'Meara: 1:13:55

Oh, you did not. That's amazing.

Megan Edge: 1:13:58

I did. I know you can't make this stuff. You can't with Oracle or Tarot. It's just, so then, then there's a deeper message. I take the reader more into what was happening in that moment. So I say this brick heart sat for a month in, okay, it wasn't just one day, sat for a month in the elements before I moved it. When I discovered that it had left a twin of itself in an outline, I instantly thought of the yin yang symbol and its representation of harmony. Finding harmony in your relationships can be challenging. Sometimes the purpose of a relationship is not to find harmony, but rather to experience a shakeup of your set way of thinking about how relationships should be. You cross paths with each other for many reasons. Always reflecting part of yourself in the other. Sometimes that reflection is of your soulmate, that personal energy with whom you have been in relationship in previous lives. When you feel a deep connection with someone, explore it. Be prepared, however, that it may not look like how you expect it should. Ooh. Yeah. And so from there, You, as the person who's reading this, you as the quester or the seeker, you, you sit with the messaging, you sit with the channeling and you allow whatever aspect of it that resonates for you to resonate for you. You don't have to take the whole message. There may just be one word in there that's really, really profound for you in that moment. And then you just move into your day or where, whenever it is you're doing the reading for yourself, you just, you know, just let that permeate. It becomes a theme for the day. And because you're aware of it. You're going to see things things are going to show up people are going to come into your into your day or into your week, and you're going to have an awareness of them that you wouldn't have necessarily had before because you weren't in the energy of twin hearts but now you are. And so now you. You start to see, it's like what we focus on. We see, which makes perfect sense. And I

Kristen O'Meara: 1:15:53

love the, uh, aspect or the, um, what you're offering with the Oracle deck is a journal and a pen and a bookmark, because it's encouraging us to know. It's not just the Oracle deck, you know, allow yourself to feel into these cards and to, like you said, jot down some, some thoughts and feelings that you had, uh, That you were having that day or that week. Sometimes we don't need to keep pulling cards day after day after day. I mean, one card a week is, it can be enough because that can make it a more rich experience.

Megan Edge: 1:16:33

Absolutely. Yeah. And when I teach on show, I do chakra work as well. And so when I teach my chakra courses, we spend a week in each chakra for 13 weeks. So within that week, we're playing with the color of that chakra, we're playing with the messaging of that chakra, we're looking at where in our body is that chakra, and so we're focusing in, so let's say it's the heart chakra, then we spend that whole week really thinking about our heart and doing things that help our heart be healthy and You know, eating right, or journaling about our heart, releasing some old heart pain, and we work with it in that immersive way. And you can do the same thing, of course, with oracle cards. You could even do it for a month, and that would be really, that would be the Buddhist way of working with it, or even a year, some, in some Buddhist traditions, you spend an entire year on a chakra that, for our culture, I don't know how practical that is, but for some people that may be a perfect way. Well, it's a great

Kristen O'Meara: 1:17:28

way to practice contemplation. That's for sure. Yeah. Contemplation of especially having, having these cards be amuse. I, I, again, I love working with them. It's encouraging me. To get out side and to be open and aware of what's around me, um, and to, to be curious about what I'm, what's in front of me, I I've been seeing rabbits more lately. You're you're really, the, the cards are really encouraging me to go out more and, uh, and I just love that there's, there are many layers to these cards and I, um, And I want to really start thinking about taking pictures of what I see, you know, and just being with, with, uh, the gifts of, of, um, whether it's the universe or how I'm being led to that, um, that symbol, I think it's, it's very encouraging. So thank you. You're welcome. And thank you

Megan Edge: 1:18:33

for spending time with us. Thank you for having me. This has been such a fun conversation. It's

Kristen O'Meara: 1:18:39

been so fun. And I, I, I don't want to end. But I know that we have to wrap up our time. So please let everyone know how they can find you and, um, and what you're

Megan Edge: 1:18:52

offering. Thank you. Well, I am back on Facebook and I am back on LinkedIn. So you can find me there, uh, under Megan Edge Healing. I also have a YouTube channel. Yeah, I have a YouTube channel that I'm reactivating now and you'll find there's over 300 or so videos, workshops, public speaking that I've done, classes that I, that I offer, uh, my radio show, which again, I stepped away from a year and a half ago, but there's about 50 episodes. This was a radio program that I did through Transformation Talk Radio with Pat Bocelli, who is the host of Transformation Talk Radio called Playing on the Edge. And each month we looked at a different aspect of. of healing and being in the world, um, and being edgy about it, you know, taking things to the limit. So those are really fun. And those are all video radio shows. So you can hear them as podcasts in lots of different places, or you can actually watch us as we are interacting with each other, like you and I are doing here. Uh, so there's, so that's another way that you can see the work that I do and, and engage with it. And then there's the new website, which is, as you said, meganedge. ca. And that's evolving, so there'll be new, new things there. And you can also find me now on Learn It Live. Which is a teaching platform where instructors and teachers like myself can provide live training and also recorded trainings. And I have an upcoming course called the eight power steps of becoming a master manifester. And that's a great

Kristen O'Meara: 1:20:22

course for the

Megan Edge: 1:20:23

new year. Yes. Yeah. I love, I love running this course in the new year. We start, we're starting in February. And you, if you're a member of Learn It Live, there's a discount, or you can come on board as a guest and pay the full amount. It's very reasonable. You're basically paying 10 a class, and these are live classes. There's a manual that I've written that goes with it. You get a chapter each class. You get your homework to do as you move through these eight steps of, of, Healing, basically healing your money wounds, healing your manifesting wounds, and really being able to step into how to, how to create the things that you want in your life and letting that be what you lead with as you go through your life. And it's all ties in with intuition because it's really about listening to what you need, taking guided action. Experience in the results of it. Oh, this is a live class. So we're going to be creating community and sharing our experiences with that class and with the things that we're that we're dealing with as we go through each of the steps.

Kristen O'Meara: 1:21:23

Oh, that's a wonderful offering. Oh, I just love it. I just love it. And one thing that I would love to close. With is a channeling that I normally do in the beginning, but I think it's, it's a nice time to, to share it now. And this is from a spirit guide that I have. That's a kind of like a trickster. He always comes to me in a costume. He always shows up when I'm in a bad mood and it annoys me, but it may, but he makes me laugh eventually. Yeah. I checked in with my spirit guys. I'm like, who would like to. To work with me and, and share a message. And he came up and I was like, really? And he had this funny costume on. I'm a serious person and he just always makes me laugh and we have a fun time. So this is the message that he is imparting to us. Megan edge is a seeker. So many of you who are listening today, seeking joy and wisdom through the heart, finding ways to gather the courage and strength to look within this space of loving, to unlock the mysteries it holds. Mysteries when unlocked allow grace to beat in your heart. Seeking is not the hard part, however, it is finding joy in the journey. That allows you to know who you are relative to this heart space of ever growing awareness and awareness of self and other. We ask that you find the courage to not only look into your heart, feeling the emotions it carries and emotes, but living this experience of heartfelt awareness. Living your feelings will help, you know, your heart in the truest sense, be bold, live with feeling and the awareness you seek will come to you with the ease that you desire. We

Megan Edge: 1:23:34

love you. Be bold. Be bold. Bye. I love that. That's amazing. And I love that it came in at the end of our conversation rather than at the beginning. Yeah. It ties. It brings it all together. So Thank you to that trickster for his. Oh, yes.

Kristen O'Meara: 1:23:54

And I love that he said, be bold because I believe that that's the energy that you are offering us. Yes. It's to be bold and have courage. So thank you for all that you're offering the world. Thank you. I had a wonderful time, Megan, me as well. Yes. So everyone, much love. Have a great day and we will be back next week. Take care.

Megan Edge: 1:24:21

Bye everyone. Bye.